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Post by jisidro on Sept 6, 2017 8:49:51 GMT
Bradigus is no reason to be worried ret has Vyros2 and a bunch of focus from all the empowers. Vyros2 easily has twice the focus available to him that a Bradigus army has.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 6, 2017 11:20:10 GMT
Bradigus is no reason to be worried ret has Vyros2 and a bunch of focus from all the empowers. Vyros2 easily has twice the focus available to him that a Bradigus army has. This...just so much this.
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Post by jisidro on Sept 6, 2017 13:11:42 GMT
Bradigus is no reason to be worried ret has Vyros2 and a bunch of focus from all the empowers. Vyros2 easily has twice the focus available to him that a Bradigus army has. This...just so much this.
Go provide feedback in CID!
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 6, 2017 14:48:55 GMT
This...just so much this.
Go provide feedback in CID!
I am haha gonna try to get a game in tonight or tomorrow with Watchers everywhere!
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Post by oncomingstorm on Sept 6, 2017 17:24:09 GMT
Go provide feedback in CID!
I am haha gonna try to get a game in tonight or tomorrow with Watchers everywhere! Yeah, I'm going to try and get another game in and actually get a battle report up. Feels a little futile though, given the amount of negative feedback the Watcher has gotten and the unwillingness of PP to change it. It's actually starting to make me question CID, when the entire Circle community can go "this is bad, it needs to be changed" and the answer we get is 'but woldwatcher ranged assassinations are unbalanced!'
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 6, 2017 17:31:35 GMT
I am haha gonna try to get a game in tonight or tomorrow with Watchers everywhere! Yeah, I'm going to try and get another game in and actually get a battle report up. Feels a little futile though, given the amount of negative feedback the Watcher has gotten and the unwillingness of PP to change it. It's actually starting to make me question CID, when the entire Circle community can go "this is bad, it needs to be changed" and the answer we get is 'but woldwatcher ranged assassinations are unbalanced!'I almost laughed when I saw that. What Dodo let themselves get assassinated by models that can't ignore any kind of ranged defense and are FRIKKING RAT 5.... I like Pagani alot, he is for sure my favorite dev but come on man...I am not making up my experiences....The watcher does nothing valuable and if bradigus is the reason why they wont move forwards I will 1: Point to vyross 2 who will be way more potent with the new ret lights 2: point out how the watcher is literally functionally useless with any other caster.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Sept 6, 2017 17:35:02 GMT
Yeah, I'm going to try and get another game in and actually get a battle report up. Feels a little futile though, given the amount of negative feedback the Watcher has gotten and the unwillingness of PP to change it. It's actually starting to make me question CID, when the entire Circle community can go "this is bad, it needs to be changed" and the answer we get is 'but woldwatcher ranged assassinations are unbalanced!'I almost laughed when I saw that. What Dodo let themselves get assassinated by models that can't ignore any kind of ranged defense and are FRIKKING RAT 5.... I like Pagani alot, he is for sure my favorite dev but come on man...I am not making up my experiences....The watcher does nothing valuable and if bradigus is the reason why they wont move forwards I will 1: Point to vyross 2 who will be way more potent with the new ret lights 2: point out how the watcher is literally functionally useless with any other caster. I mean, are we seriously designing the game around the assumption that the opponent is a goldfish? Woldwatchers won't assassinate someone who is awake and knows their stats, and that should be the minimum criteria necessary for making a potential assassination run more than a blip on the radar. I generally like Pagani, but holy Firetruck is it hard to respect someone who uses trash arguments like that to make their point. Is he actually serious about this (in which case I'm confused about how he ever became a top Circle player) or is he trolling (in which case HE should receive a CID infraction...)
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Post by stibe on Sept 6, 2017 18:25:34 GMT
I would be pretty contempt if Watchers gun got Powerful Attack, and I don't feel it would be too powerful.
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Post by whiskeydave on Sept 6, 2017 18:27:07 GMT
I am haha gonna try to get a game in tonight or tomorrow with Watchers everywhere! Yeah, I'm going to try and get another game in and actually get a battle report up. Feels a little futile though, given the amount of negative feedback the Watcher has gotten and the unwillingness of PP to change it. It's actually starting to make me question CID, when the entire Circle community can go "this is bad, it needs to be changed" and the answer we get is 'but woldwatcher ranged assassinations are unbalanced!'I assume you are referring to comments in the CID forums largely being negative about watcher... Because what you cannot be referring to is the ACTUAL feedback data from all the forms people are filling out that you have never seen. So, what you are familiar with is the same vocal set of folks (Myself included) that wanted to see tweaks to watcher, but none of us REALLY KNOW what the majority of feedback said. Feedback Form > batrep forum > T&L forum Whats funny to me is that I have given feedback about my desire for watcher getting help, but honestly, in my only 4 games with it, it did more than its fair share of work in scenario, so my negativity on it was entirely based on feelings and theory because results did not back me up. I get that my games are likely aberrations, but it just shows that DATA is what they make most decisions on, not theories. I do not believe for one second that if every feedback form put a ONE for its rating that they would have stopped changing it.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 6, 2017 18:28:24 GMT
I assume you are referring to comments in the CID forums largely being negative about watcher... Because what you cannot be referring to is the ACTUAL feedback data from all the forms people are filling out that you have never seen. So, what you are familiar with is the same vocal set of folks (Myself included) that wanted to see tweaks to watcher, but none of us REALLY KNOW what the majority of feedback said. Feedback Form > batrep forum > T&L forum I have been leaving feedback on the feedback forum so thats one person
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Post by whiskeydave on Sept 6, 2017 18:35:13 GMT
I assume you are referring to comments in the CID forums largely being negative about watcher... Because what you cannot be referring to is the ACTUAL feedback data from all the forms people are filling out that you have never seen. So, what you are familiar with is the same vocal set of folks (Myself included) that wanted to see tweaks to watcher, but none of us REALLY KNOW what the majority of feedback said. Feedback Form > batrep forum > T&L forum I have been leaving feedback on the feedback forum so thats one person Yep, I believe I been seeing you in same threads as me. My belief is that they got feedback to an average greater than 3 out of 5 from feedback form and moved on to things sub-3 with limited time remaining. I can understand that in the timebox that we have that they would prefer to be cautious with spammable models. Still... A little bummed. I just wanted a TINY tweak, but I think I was drowned out by the volume of larger requests. (Trample would be very cool to me for what I want him for and would have given baldur a special perk with his free tramples+stoneform+animus for deep unmoveable dudes)
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Post by josephkerr on Sept 6, 2017 21:10:59 GMT
I have been leaving feedback on the feedback forum so thats one person Still... A little bummed. I just wanted a TINY tweak... I think it dropped a point in cost week one. That's at least something.
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Post by whiskeydave on Sept 6, 2017 21:24:22 GMT
Still... A little bummed. I just wanted a TINY tweak... I think it dropped a point in cost week one. That's at least something. And +1 MAT... With its tiny arms...
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Post by Fudly on Sept 7, 2017 0:13:16 GMT
I wish we could at least get a contingency plan. "If 6 months after release no non-Bradigus competitive lists are using woldwatchers, they'll re-enter CID."
Bradigus doesn't even look fun to play. It's lame we're balancing wolds around his influence.
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Post by Forsaken on Sept 8, 2017 12:30:45 GMT
My concern is that because wold watcher (and guardian) are in this CID it will be a long time before they will be considered again. And I'm just simply not happy enough with them. This was exactly my concern with pushing large chunks of 4+ factions through CID in one go. Many models haven't gotten the attention they needed, not just Circles.
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