marke
Junior Strategist
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Post by marke on Aug 22, 2017 10:06:15 GMT
Mk2 style ekromac with an appropriate minion addon if required
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Post by jisidro on Aug 22, 2017 10:21:57 GMT
Mk2 style ekromac with an appropriate minion addon if required
So you thought you could use all the Warlocks?
Blackclad warlocks only so no Kromac, no Wurmwood no Grayle...
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 22, 2017 11:48:30 GMT
Yeah no Wurmwood makes this an even harder pill to swallow.
It has no decent contesting models outside of a single minions unit.
It has no staying power
Everything in it is expensive
It doesn't hit hard
It's OK at killing infantry
It makes clouds....
This theme does...nothing. Literally it does absokurwley nothing worthwhile.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Aug 22, 2017 12:21:47 GMT
I think he meant the "12 factions of Christmas" CID for the stuff announced at lock and load. That is the next CID cycle happening soon. Worse. We aren't getting a bunch of Circle stuff put in the next CID and who knows when we will get our kick at the can. I think the way it was worded, and due to the severe NEED for models to be added to this theme. It will be a separate CiD process that falls on or around Christmas. That, and I want this next CiD to be the legion ogrun theme so bad it's not even funny. But I can't deny that this theme is pretty crap and Circle needs a good bit of help. I think the cute little "druid dies, becomes shambler, druid is revived" is the only interaction that might be interesting. But you could do that before the theme. So it's not really anything new or "better" than before. Morvhana 1 is pretty cool, but this theme is not going to make anything "magic" happen for her. Again, not a (complete) failing of the models that infantry is not core to most lists in the meta so far. SR17 will probably change that but not to a degree in which you want double mist riders or some mess like that. Circle infantry just needs an overhaul. Until then this theme will be a joke.
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Post by jisidro on Aug 22, 2017 13:11:33 GMT
This theme has: WoldWyrds, Purebloods, Wayfarers, Wilder, Fulcrum, Bellows, Bone Grinders... Even if for a startling 0 free points (Something Circle has become used to ) you get some good toys... This is not so bad: Fulcrum + 3/4 PT Solo: 22/23 pts Free Solo (Wilder, Wayfarer) WWrath: 37 Pureblood: 17 2xWoldWyrd: 18 Total: 94/95 pts. You have a few extra points to play with for stones and Bellows? It's a good Circle Gunline, ie, not to play into other gunlines
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Post by kuririnad on Aug 22, 2017 13:47:24 GMT
Yeah this theme is basically the Tanith gunline I've been taking, so I will get a free solo out of it. Although I have to find something to replace double sentry stones... Again. So is one free solo worth losing sentry stones?
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Post by jisidro on Aug 22, 2017 14:03:21 GMT
Yeah this theme is basically the Tanith gunline I've been taking, so I will get a free solo out of it. Although I have to find something to replace double sentry stones... Again. So is one free solo worth losing sentry stones?
Not by itself...
Here is my first try:
Circle Army - 74 / 75 points [Theme] Secret Masters (Pre-Release) (Baldur 1) Baldur the Stonecleaver [+31] - Pureblood Warpwolf [17] - Woldwrath [37] - Woldwyrd [9] - Woldwyrd [9] - Druid Wilder [0(4)] Blackclad Stoneshaper [3] Blackclad Wayfarer [4] Blackclad Wayfarer [4] Shifting Stones [3] Celestial Fulcrum [19]
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 22, 2017 14:25:11 GMT
jisidro that list is just straight up better in Bones.. Baldur 1 Wilder Megs Wrath 2 Wyrds Fulcrum 2 Wayfarers 2 Sentry Stones That's my issue with this theme, the models you want to take (Fulcrum, Blackclad solos) are already available in a theme with more applicable benefits. Upkeeps have never been an issue for me before,
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Post by jisidro on Aug 22, 2017 14:29:12 GMT
macdaddy: The point is the Pureblood. I'd love to get Geomancy in there... With 2 earth spikes you have a 85%-ish of KDing any caster that is vulnerable to it. With Wraithbane, Baldur's Feat, Stone Skin and the Wayfarer you should get the Alpha and hit at dice+1 against any other colossal.
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Post by kuririnad on Aug 22, 2017 14:32:51 GMT
Even worse, the only thing you gain by taking the list in theme is second wayfarer and not having to be naked on turn one to put out all your upkeeps. Sad pandas.
If you are playing for sac pawn, is there any option worth taking other than bokor and shamblers?
PS. Anyone else notice that in order to get 3 free solos Pagani had to take the 3-point Shapers instead of 4-point options? So once again, other factions are getting 12-15 points free, and we get 9. I'm not usually this salty, but I was really looking forward to a theme I could actually play.
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Post by jisidro on Aug 22, 2017 14:39:46 GMT
I'm still hoping that they release with some bells and whistles. We need the minions to add towards the free models that IMO would open up the possibilities.
The Clad only warlock is fluffy but removes Kromac1 from the theme... You remember him? The guy with awkward 1st turns due to his upkeeps and wanting bestial up?
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 22, 2017 14:42:32 GMT
macdaddy: The point is the Pureblood. I'd love to get Geomancy in there... With 2 earth spikes you have a 85%-ish of KDing any caster that is vulnerable to it. With Wraithbane, Baldur's Feat, Stone Skin and the Wayfarer you should get the Alpha and hit at dice+1 against any other colossal. I can see wraithbane being important but I don't think it's inclusion is worth: No megalith No Sentry Stones Less free points (8 points less) Loss of deployment. You also are not using minions so not taking advantage of sac pawn. With Tanith I think things get more interesting but I think Baldur is better off in bones.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 22, 2017 16:06:40 GMT
Mohsar in this theme seems like a pretty good Ghost Fleet answer, crevasse for RFP, and sac pawn to some shamblers to stop him getting shot to death
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Post by jisidro on Aug 22, 2017 16:15:01 GMT
Mohsar in this theme seems like a pretty good Ghost Fleet answer, crevasse for RFP, and sac pawn to some shamblers to stop him getting shot to death
He can remove one leader a turn, jump in and out (4fury), Crevasse (3/4 fury), camp the rest (1/2). Don't be in spray to death range So not a silver bullet especially since you don't have a feat...
Like the previous infantry themes (3 so far!) we can look at them and try to take stuff and make it work... Not very sexy. Best thing about the theme was the confirmation of +2 POW on the constructs.
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Post by darkshroud on Aug 22, 2017 16:27:05 GMT
Is just the next theme who punish you for taking the good things. Is really difficult to dig into free points... I think a meningfull list can top at 8. And without a good chunk of free points why play a themed list in the first place? god i hate that pp added free pts to themes. give me perks not pts.
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