bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 17, 2017 15:09:36 GMT
So with the birth of my son, my war gaming time is non existing at the moment. So to fill the void I have been watching bat reps online.
With all the Ret vids our there; I don't see many with Rahn. He was my first caster and I still love using him to this day.
Is there a particular reason he doesn't get used that much anymore? I figured with Forges he would be boss. Especially in the scenario game. So, my fellow pointy eared psychopaths, what are your thoughts?
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 17, 2017 15:16:22 GMT
He's super good, super strong, scary as hell and I'm glad no one plays him because I don't like playing against him. I don't think you'd have issues with playing him successfully if you committed to practicing with him. Forges of war is great for him. with battle engines now in the mix TK is even stronger because it works on them ( you can TK an AFG around backwards and charge a jack into its butt). Here's a game where someone played Rahn into me: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxpmQj40i4w&t=5518sI was really relieved when he blew his feat as early as he did and didn't get much out of it. He also played a very mixed arms list instead of in Theme. This was part of a team tournament though so stuff gets weird. I only had 1 list at the time since my Ossyan list was at the painter.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 17, 2017 17:09:26 GMT
Thank Isotope! I'll give it a look at the next opportunity.
Last time I played with Rahn, I got a great assassination with my mittens and stormfalls
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 18, 2017 13:28:13 GMT
I was really relieved when he blew his feat as early as he did and didn't get much out of it. He also played a very mixed arms list instead of in Theme. Got a chance yesterday to watch your match. I agree with you about feat timing, plus it seems he didn't utilize synergies very well either. I was very shocked also that your opponent didn't have Discordia in his BG. Not suffering crippled systems with Rahn is amazing. Especially with that sp10. I do have one question for you though, why deploy Helynna as far to the left as it looked like you did? Seems like just asking for an assassination from the MHSF. Or was that a lure strategy?
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 18, 2017 13:49:12 GMT
My Helynna list is very simple to deploy. I really only have a few options. I typically like to deploy my BG to one side of my sentinels and use her gun/rhythm to yoyo Imperatus up to kill what I can drag in. This was literally my 4th match of mk3, 4th game playing ret and 4th game with this list. It was a 3 man team tournament and i only had 1 list so my opponent always had the advantage of picking whatever they wanted into it. I've learned a lot since this game about the capabilities of my list. I deployed Helynna where I did because of the LOS blocking of the house. The camera angle doesn't quite show that but on top of 2 i think if he wanted he could have maybe gotten 2-3 MHSF into Helynna. My plan was to engage the MHSF ASAP before bringing my jacks into threat. Discordia was in his BG, It didn't really matter because with my pull gun I was able to get it into threat of my Disco and 1 rounded his. Since this game I've learned to not cast much with Helynna besides free upkeep of RoW and putting arcane secrets on helynna then HoD what I'm gonna try to pull in before I take my RAT5 shot. After watching this I can't believe how many times I tried to kill his battle mages with blast damage from Oblits... he kept telling me and I kept forgetting lol. MY opponent had some bad dice which contributed to the lopsided win. I Do this his plan of trying to keep Imperatus away was not the best Idea. I think instead of slamming him over my sentinels on feat turn if he TKed him 2" away from helynna and backwards then dragging him outside 14" with the battle mages he could have killed him with the sentinels. Once he feated and I wasn't worried about being trivially assassinated I felt comfortable with the matchup. The one mistake that was pointed out by a Youtuber was that when you shunt 5 dmg with a focus Brain Damage still takes effect and he wouldn't have been able to cast spells his last turn which means he cant slam healer and imperatus off his flag and I win on scenario instead of him clocking out.
Since this game I've probably gotten 30-40 games in with Helynna and now have Ossyan fully painted to pair with him. I've got about 6 games in with Ossyan so far and I like him. Vyros1 is at the paint shop now. Rahn still scares me, Rean Knope is having good success with him at Gencon Masters this weekend, I wish him luck. I knew he was playing Rahn when you posted this and sent him a message yesterday about the irony of the timing hah.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 18, 2017 16:37:38 GMT
Hahaha, timing of things are sometimes freaky. I hope he does awesome in the masters. I would love to see more Rahn hype again. 30-40 games....wow. I am jealous. Have any of your fellow Ret players, or yourself, tried an old fires from on high list with Rahn? I have a similar list in war room, but have only played it twice. Both with assassination wins being the result. Basically advance up with sentinels, flanked by mittens and BG. Then Rahn is behind sents, with stormfalls. Feat, then pull out key pieces and shoot with SFA. Both times I have been able to pull out the enemy caster. It's great to see your opponents face slowly sink everytime their caster is dragged a bit. Then a bit more, and a bit more. Then oops, he fell down. SFA for the win. Where is Advanced Maneuvers based out of? If close enough, I may talk my brother into a road trip.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 18, 2017 16:54:16 GMT
Hahaha, timing of things are sometimes freaky. I hope he does awesome in the masters. I would love to see more Rahn hype again. 30-40 games....wow. I am jealous. Have any of your fellow Ret players, or yourself, tried an old fires from on high list with Rahn? I have a similar list in war room, but have only played it twice. Both with assassination wins being the result. Basically advance up with sentinels, flanked by mittens and BG. Then Rahn is behind sents, with stormfalls. Feat, then pull out key pieces and shoot with SFA. Both times I have been able to pull out the enemy caster. It's great to see your opponents face slowly sink everytime their caster is dragged a bit. Then a bit more, and a bit more. Then oops, he fell down. SFA for the win. Where is Advanced Maneuvers based out of? If close enough, I may talk my brother into a road trip. I'm not on the Advanced Maneuvers team but I am in their local area( since I moved last summer) and fully painted so I have been invited onto the channel. They are in the DC/NOVA/MD area. On their facebook page they'll send invites out looking for fully painted armies when they are planning to do filmed games with the locals. I only started playing Ret in MK3 and currently only play Ossyan and Helynna(with Vyros1 at the paint shop). I played Cygnar in MK2 down in the FL meta. I didn't like the change to buffs becoming FF when mk3 dropped( played a lot of mercs in my Cygnar lists) so I faction hopped. I don't have any other casters I'm considering at the moment. I'm waiting to see our themes drop and will probably attempt to get Helynna into theme ( IF and only IF Imperatus can be taken in theme). I have the things needed to get Ossyan into Defenders at the paint shop already and I don't see myself getting Vyros1 into theme. After that I could see myself looking at a 4th caster next spring once I know themes/ who gets CID'd ( Ravyn/Thyron/G4???) and also examining what new releases are in the pipeline. I think Rahn is a great/strong caster but I've never been a "spell slinger" type of player.
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Aug 18, 2017 18:27:28 GMT
I'm just gonna jump in here really fast, I'm not a than expert at all and was just looking a little advice since I would really like to pick him up in my arsenal. What do you two think of running him in shadows with double strike force and commander for a real pop and drop assassination if you manage to get a TK or a Force Hammer onto their caster. There would be no battle mages but I think you could maybe manage.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 18, 2017 18:34:05 GMT
I'm just gonna jump in here really fast, I'm not a than expert at all and was just looking a little advice since I would really like to pick him up in my arsenal. What do you two think of running him in shadows with double strike force and commander for a real pop and drop assassination if you manage to get a TK or a Force Hammer onto their caster. There would be no battle mages but I think you could maybe manage. With his feat I feel it's better cute than good.In Forges Battle mages have more damage output than strikeforce on feat turn, plus they give you more chances at a KD and drag them closer to your helios to finish the job, plus your jacks can all shieldguards for you if needed. Plus I don't think you can bring Sylys in shadows.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 19, 2017 3:42:56 GMT
I'm just gonna jump in here really fast, I'm not a than expert at all and was just looking a little advice since I would really like to pick him up in my arsenal. What do you two think of running him in shadows with double strike force and commander for a real pop and drop assassination if you manage to get a TK or a Force Hammer onto their caster. There would be no battle mages but I think you could maybe manage. Bringing a caster for just one spell, in my experience, really doesn't pan out the way you would think. The one thing that destroys the crap out of MHSF are blast damage. Which happens 's to be the one thing Mittens are invulnerable to. I can see Rahn giving polarity shield to one squad of MHSF, but that would leave the other group as a target. TK is only range 8, and can only effect a model once per turn;so it would be difficult to position the kill. Then we come to the feat, which only helps Rahn himself without any other spell slingers. I dont want to tell you how to play, I say play what you would like. If you wanna try it great, let us know how it goes. I just think Rahn really isn't the caster to use with a Shadows theme. Also, you don't have to have a theme to win either. It helps to get free models and some neat abilities, but a solid list can go quite aways. Here is my Rahn list, which I dubbed "Telekinetic Death Rain" War Room Army Retribution of Scyrah - Rahn Theme: No Theme Selected 75 / 75 Army Adeptis Rahn - WJ: +26 - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4 - Chimera - PC: 8 - Discordia - PC: 18 - Phoenix - PC: 18 House Shyeel Battle Mages - 10 House Shyeel Battle Mages - 10 Dawnguard Sentinels min unit - 10 - Officer & Standard: 4 Stormfall Archers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 9 Stormfall Archers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 9
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Post by yajnho on Sept 11, 2017 3:46:38 GMT
Rahn is not as popular because he is not great into Ghost Fleet.
Bluebeards list is pretty much a classic (out of theme) list. MHSF also works surprisingly well in place of sentinels, since Rahn can redirect blasts and they get that extra die against jacks. Either way it's a good list.
However, it's hard to give up themes and play down so may points, never mind the other theme perks. Rahn doesn't really want to play into infantry lists without e'mancers or SFA's, and the recursion makes it worse.
So, folks are taking shadows with Issy to handle Ghost Fleet and taking V2 forges to crack armor (and ask the armor question itself).
Rahn is my favorite, I play him anyway.
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Post by Gaston on Sept 11, 2017 14:57:07 GMT
I adore Rahn and think he is perfectly strong, he is why I started Ret in the first place.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 11, 2017 15:54:37 GMT
I adore Rahn and think he is perfectly strong, he is why I started Ret in the first place. whatever you Thyron lover! I've seen your bat reps...J/k we still love you buddy. On serious note, it is a shame theme lists are so scale tipping in the current state. Forges is nice, but no SFAs for theme makes me sad.
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Post by Gaston on Sept 11, 2017 17:45:39 GMT
I adore Rahn and think he is perfectly strong, he is why I started Ret in the first place. whatever you Thyron lover! I've seen your bat reps...J/k we still love you buddy. On serious note, it is a shame theme lists are so scale tipping in the current state. Forges is nice, but no SFAs for theme makes me sad. I like Thryon with some Jack Marshals, good wholesome family fun. Why not Rahn in Defenders? You can put Polarity Shield on Ellowyur or Halberdiers as a front line, then maybe leverage Force Hammer more for some KD SFA brutal damage action? At the minimum TK bumps them to Rat 7.
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Post by adakai on Sept 11, 2017 19:58:39 GMT
whatever you Thyron lover! I've seen your bat reps...J/k we still love you buddy. On serious note, it is a shame theme lists are so scale tipping in the current state. Forges is nice, but no SFAs for theme makes me sad. I like Thryon with some Jack Marshals, good wholesome family fun. Why not Rahn in Defenders? You can put Polarity Shield on Ellowyur or Halberdiers as a front line, then maybe leverage Force Hammer more for some KD SFA brutal damage action? At the minimum TK bumps them to Rat 7. Tech me a list to try! Gonna play Wednesday =D
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