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Post by Swampmist on Mar 17, 2017 17:48:55 GMT
Sorry I couldn't make it, couldn't suss out a ride with my little sister having a concert.
So, thoughts on Helynna into Gunny? It seems ,like your opponent generally low-rolled a lot, do you think that if the dice where more average the game would have been less in your favor?
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Post by Irusk2K on Mar 17, 2017 19:54:29 GMT
No worries, we were there for 4 hours and by the end I think we were wishing we hadn't made it.
Helynna plays very well in to Gunny but in a very slow grindy way. I don't think either one has a definite advantage other the other.
Yeah dice helped me win but we both agreed it was maybe 30% dice and 70% his unfamiliarity with the models.
My opponent already is working on a new Gunny list this time with a Mountain King.
I might mod my list to fit a Colossal too but we'll see.
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Post by Irusk2K on Mar 21, 2017 19:28:08 GMT
So my opponent has made his list: War Room Army Trollblood - Gunnbjorn - 75 pts Theme: No Theme Selected 75 / 75 Army Armory - Steamroller Objective Captain Gunnbjorn - WB: +28 - Mountain King - PC: 36 (Battlegroup Points Used: 28) - Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 19 - Dozer & Smigg - PC: 18 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3 Trollkin Highwaymen - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 Dhunian Knot - Leader & 2 Grunts: 6
I'm pretty worried about facing the Mountain King especially since it looks like I'll have to rely on taking it out in one round in melee.
So, do I want to play my Helynna list into something like this or bring something else?
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Post by ElaraIsBae on Mar 27, 2017 13:28:11 GMT
Vyros 2 with Griffons would play into that list well. Not everyone has a ton of griffons lying around though.
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Post by Irusk2K on Mar 27, 2017 16:24:18 GMT
I have 4 Griffons but not Vyros2. I am thinking about a Vyros1 list though since on average dice a charging, full-up, Imperatus with concentrated power could one round the colossal on feat turn.
Here is what I was thinking:
Points: 75 / 75 Vyros1 (Dawnlord Vyros) -28 - Imperatus 22 - Discordia 18 - Phoenix 18 - Phoenix 18 - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker 4 Arcanist 2 Arcanist 2 Arcanist 2 Houseguard Thane 4 Houseguard Halberdiers (Leader and 5) 8 - Houseguard Halberdier Officer & Standard 4 - Soulless Escort 1
I'm not sold of Sylys and was thinking i would drop him and the Soulless Escort and take an Artificer to keep the Mechaniks safe instead.
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Post by tontonkal on Mar 28, 2017 14:24:05 GMT
You should give Sylys a try with Vyros1 : arcane secrets is nasty with stranglehold! Great control tool.
Griffons with flank are deadly, ask Una2 about it :-)
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Post by Irusk2K on Mar 28, 2017 17:46:34 GMT
Would you say that 2 Griffons are better than a second Phoenix? My first list had griffons but I dropped them since I was worried about not having enough focus on feat turn.
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Post by ElaraIsBae on Mar 28, 2017 18:01:39 GMT
- Phoenix
+ Griffon + Griffon + 2 points left over.
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Post by Irusk2K on Mar 28, 2017 18:44:37 GMT
Yeah I don't know if my math is right a fully loaded Phoenix can put out a lot more damage than two Griffons with 2 focus each. Phoenix buying 3 attacks the Griffons buying one attack and boosting halbard damage.
ARM 18: 51 vs. 38 ARM 19: 46 vs. 32 AMR 20: 41 vs. 28 ARM 21: 36 vs. 20
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Post by ElaraIsBae on Mar 28, 2017 19:09:08 GMT
I think the value of the Griffons comes in their ability to manage medium base infantry, cav, and contest zones.
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Post by tontonkal on Mar 28, 2017 20:52:01 GMT
Yeah I don't know if my math is right a fully loaded Phoenix can put out a lot more damage than two Griffons with 2 focus each. Phoenix buying 3 attacks the Griffons buying one attack and boosting halbard damage. ARM 18: 51 vs. 38 ARM 19: 46 vs. 32 AMR 20: 41 vs. 28 ARM 21: 36 vs. 20 I am not sure that the comparison is fair. I would compare a fully loaded griffon + another griffon with 1 focus, against a fully loaded phoenix. Also, I would compare on feat turn with flank. Let's assume all attacks touch (although griffons have +2 mat for the charge attack): Against arm18: Griffons = 30 + 12 = 42 Phoenix = 45 Against arm20: Griffons = 22 + 8 = 30 Phoenix = 37.5 So yes Phoenix is better against armor (but not as much as you pointed), but as pointed, and given you have already a Phoenix, griffons offer some flexibility, have better mat for the charge attack and more boxes as long as you keep the shield. I think I have read somewhere that in terms of raw power per points, the Sphinx was the better deal, followed by the Manticore.
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Post by Irusk2K on Mar 29, 2017 18:55:33 GMT
Yeah, those number seem better than mine. Another problem was I accidently gave the phoenix CP in my calculation hence the big difference.
I can see the merits in both builds so i think I'll just have to try them both out and see which one works better for me.
I didn't play last week but I'll be playing tomorrow so we'll see how it goes.
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Post by Swampmist on Mar 30, 2017 15:26:05 GMT
I'll hopefully be around tonight as well, either playing my legion post-adepticon or playing more grymkin
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Post by Irusk2K on Mar 30, 2017 15:53:13 GMT
Cool, I'll need an opponent since Gunny can't make it tonight.
I wouldn't mind playing your Legion list again since I lost to it last time (granted that was with Khador).
Grym would be fine too but I'd do not want to do any of the weird CID stuff.
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Post by Swampmist on Mar 30, 2017 16:02:41 GMT
Sadly all of the grymkin is weird CID stuff; it'll mostly be me letting you get away with rolling trip 1s and me taking one out of 5 toughs instead of making 1 in 9 . Legion list is actually different; I've been playing Abby2 and eating casters with typhon.
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