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Post by warriorofiron on Aug 1, 2017 23:26:17 GMT
So I keep seeing the privateer press casino dice popping up and I was wondering where I could buy them?
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Post by pangurban on Aug 1, 2017 23:52:25 GMT
I know of faction dice, not PP casino dice. Faction dice can be found on Amazon.
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Post by warriorofiron on Aug 2, 2017 0:04:31 GMT
It's the dice used at lock and load 2017 for the iron gautlent, I've seen some people with them here and there!
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Post by DanX on Aug 2, 2017 0:06:28 GMT
They get them made for cons, and sell a few sets at most of them. Think in the 10-50 range though so not many. And they are not cheap.
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Post by sludgeogre on Aug 3, 2017 2:33:32 GMT
Broken Egg Games sells casino dice at 5 for 15 bucks. I bought two sets and they are very nice. The PP ones are pretty sweet looking though.
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crimsyn
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Post by crimsyn on Aug 4, 2017 18:08:02 GMT
The one catch is there is a debate over casino dice vs regular dice.
In short, the alleged advantage of casino dice over regular dice is that the accuracy in their randomness. Which is important for casinos for obvious reasons.
They accomplish this in two ways. First they have square machined dice which are made to a high level of precision. The square corners also mean a pit boss can easily examine the dice to see if they have been altered, such as by having some corners shaved and rounded. Second, they require the thrower to chuck them across the table, so they tumble and then multiple times and it is difficult to impossible for a skilled roller to manipulate the odds of a certain result.
In wargaming, we don't have a craps table to chuck them across, so casino dice mean that someone could end up not getting a random result, either through intentionally cheating (rolling them in a certain way) or just unintentionally consistently picking them up and rolling them in a way which isn't randomizing the result. These square corners that make it easy for casinos to prevent cheating, when you aren't throwing them down a craps table, make it easier to end up with non-random results. The square corners make the dice come to a stop faster so it is easier to plunk them down in a way that doesn't randomize them, and it is easier for a cheater to do this to their advantage.
Now, I'm not going to say anything to anyone about their dice if they have a set they like, but if you're buying these dice for the accuracy rather than for the aesthetics, you should be aware that their accuracy, unless you're bouncing them off multiple warjacks whenever you throw them, is up for debate and possibly even worse than a cube of cheap chessex dice.
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 4, 2017 18:25:18 GMT
Never understood the appeal of casino dice in war gaming for reasons mentioned earlier.
I love my PP official circle and protectorate faction dice though!
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Post by greytemplar on Aug 4, 2017 18:33:45 GMT
The one problem with the PP faction dice is that the facings can be difficult to read. The 2s and 5s look very similar. I know a few TO don't allow them for that reason.
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crimsyn
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Post by crimsyn on Aug 4, 2017 18:38:22 GMT
I suppose if you are interested in ensuring randomness, a dice tower would probably be a better option, provided the dice tower is well-designed enough and tall enough to get the dice tumbling around in there. It could probably replicate that craps table effect.
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skormedlover87
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Post by skormedlover87 on Aug 4, 2017 18:39:29 GMT
One benefit of casino dice is their size. They're exceptionally easy to read and there's no doubt about what was rolled. Usually there's a portion of the board not being used where they can be tossed. Otherwise a dice bin is recommended.
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iwargame
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Post by iwargame on Aug 4, 2017 23:29:02 GMT
The PP casino dice cost $25 last time I checked. Available only at cons usually.
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Post by tesoe on Aug 5, 2017 0:52:44 GMT
I keep hearing about backgammon dice being the new hotness when it comes to gaming dice. I wonder if PP will but out a set of those too one day.
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Post by pangurban on Aug 5, 2017 1:07:17 GMT
I keep hearing about backgammon dice being the new hotness when it comes to gaming dice. I wonder if PP will but out a set of those too one day. You can get precision backgammon dice in various sizes, which have the reliability of casino dice without the drawback of needing to be "thrown" to achieve good randomness. Typically they're in comparable price ranges too, although it depends on the set you want. If quality is what you want, backgammon dice are your best choice for tabletop games. |
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 5, 2017 2:48:15 GMT
Got my set of Jerusalem Olive tree dice from Artisan Dice today. May RNGesus be in my dice  |
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Fire Step
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Post by Fire Step on Aug 8, 2017 8:44:31 GMT
I've never (in about 4 years of gaming) come across a cheating set of dice. I've also never seen dice that don't swing both high and low.
Also, trying to roll big sharp edged dice always appears more difficult on a smaller table whenever I've tried to do it. They don't tend to actually "roll", more clunk forward once or twice.
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