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Post by ForEver_Blight on Aug 1, 2017 14:52:03 GMT
Thing is, I can't see what you're seeing in your imagination. So if I explain something and you tell me you understand but you actually don't and will be trying something slightly but meaningfully different, things are not copacetic. And yet human society has marched onwards. With near infinite instances of miscommunication. If I say to you, imagine a blue bear. Do you imagine a photo-realistic yet color shifted bear? Do you imagine a blue teddy bear? a Cartoon bear? What if I meant a "sad" bear. There is no limit to the misinterpretation of words. Especially if the listener is biased or has per-judged the speaker. |
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Post by pangurban on Aug 1, 2017 14:59:00 GMT
Thing is, I can't see what you're seeing in your imagination. So if I explain something and you tell me you understand but you actually don't and will be trying something slightly but meaningfully different, things are not copacetic. And yet human society has marched onwards. Human society has had millions of brilliant minds propelling it forward. We're talking about a situation where two individuals of unknown intelligence are typing words at each other. |
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Post by pangurban on Aug 1, 2017 15:01:10 GMT
And yet human society has marched onwards. With near infinite instances of miscommunication. If I say to you, imagine a blue bear. Do you imagine a photo-realistic yet color shifted bear? Do you imagine a blue teddy bear? a Cartoon bear? What if I meant a "sad" bear. There is no limit to the misinterpretation of words. Especially if the listener is biased or has per-judged the speaker. Remember when some of the best and brightest in rocket science goofed up because they didn't realize they weren't all using the same measurement system? |
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Aug 1, 2017 15:35:31 GMT
Funnily, WMH uses imperial and metric. Just to ensure maximum complication.
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Post by lordsizzlor on Aug 1, 2017 15:40:32 GMT
To the ops original point.
What your describing is someone mentoring someone else and helping them be a better player.
It's not possible to have this type of relationship and communication over a public forum.
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Post by whiskeydave on Aug 1, 2017 20:20:05 GMT
I think there are a number of things that could work fine in a decent forum.
Illustrations of unit dispersion in various situations. (I am a clumper) Like for various tarpits vs. beatsticks, etc.
Showing how a particular list is deployed with drawings and discussing the activation orders so that people can make some things "muscle memory" to save time early in a round.
Discussion of key target priorities in the "boogeymen" of the day rather than what models to go buy. Perhaps the players of the boogeyman-list could discuss what things they most hate when people do to them...
Discussion of how to play the list presented, rather than what pieces to swap out.
etc.
There is, as has been stated, a burden on the "asker" to give enough information to their audience to help them though. I understand why "How do I beat Ghostfleet?" becomes an exercise in list creation. So folks should ask for advice in better ways, also.
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Post by isotope on Aug 1, 2017 20:46:34 GMT
Showing how a particular list is deployed with drawings and discussing the activation orders so that people can make some things "muscle memory" to save time early in a round. I know one of my lists is a fairly straightforward deployment ( Helynna) but Ossyan is more difficult. I have to establish where I need to be to have LOS for my feat, where I think my oponenet will be on that turn, Ossyan or Hypnos needs LOS on whatever I need to get my upkeeps out on. The only way for me to deploy relatively quickly is practice. |
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Post by josephkerr on Aug 1, 2017 21:39:15 GMT
Showing how a particular list is deployed with drawings and discussing the activation orders so that people can make some things "muscle memory" to save time early in a round. I know one of my lists is a fairly straightforward deployment ( Helynna) but Ossyan is more difficult. I have to establish where I need to be to have LOS for my feat, where I think my oponenet will be on that turn, Ossyan or Hypnos needs LOS on whatever I need to get my upkeeps out on. The only way for me to deploy relatively quickly is practice. This is a good observation about practice. Being told "why" ur unpacking, ie what needs los, whats gonna be in a piece trade round 2, etc., is most of what makes unpacking work, and its easy for new players to screw up without repetition. |
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Post by isotope on Aug 2, 2017 1:32:04 GMT
I know one of my lists is a fairly straightforward deployment ( Helynna) but Ossyan is more difficult. I have to establish where I need to be to have LOS for my feat, where I think my oponenet will be on that turn, Ossyan or Hypnos needs LOS on whatever I need to get my upkeeps out on. The only way for me to deploy relatively quickly is practice. This is a good observation about practice. Being told "why" ur unpacking, ie what needs los, whats gonna be in a piece trade round 2, etc., is most of what makes unpacking work, and its easy for new players to screw up without repetition. I didn't even delve into " what models need to be spread out if my opponent has AoEs, what wants to be on a hill, what scenario is it ( to get units into zones etc), how fast is my enemy, am I going first or second". It's a lot of thinking that needs to be done very quickly because at a SR when you're on the clock... an extra minute or two to deploy and an extra minute or two to unpack on turn 1/2 could cost you the game. |
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Post by whiskeydave on Aug 2, 2017 14:28:25 GMT
As a further example, Last time I played CoC, I could tell how much I was fumbling in the first turn with jack and shield guard placements in the servitor/jack theme. I wound up with a hodgepodge of things that I know there are better techniques I need to understand. Better spacing, trailing servitors, how to play differently against electo-leaps, etc...
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