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Post by W0lfBane on Jul 27, 2017 17:22:38 GMT
You mean like an aura ability like Menoth's gaze or something similar? No as in like EoT's Holy Light and Judgement's Fuel for the Flames. Or BoD's righteous vengeance or SoH's arcane vortex. I understand what you're saying but i believe all of the above fit the term aura sufficiently
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Jul 27, 2017 17:31:17 GMT
You mean like an aura ability like Menoth's gaze or something similar? No as in like EoT's Holy Light and Judgement's Fuel for the Flames. Not a fan of this concept, there's no way it'd work out well. We'd take massive point hits for cornercase abilities, same as mk 2 warbeasts.
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Post by doopsie on Jul 27, 2017 17:44:53 GMT
I think the most reasonable change would be to give him immunity: disruption, and either +1 Focus (so roll is d3+2) OR allow battlegroup points to be spent on him. This would bring Avatar to the point of being a compelling choice for some casters, but not auto-include.
My "pipe dream" would be +4 pts, immunity: disruption, Awe, and Guided. The dude is driven by God, let him have some of Harbinger's abilities. Awe cranks his survivability and makes him into a neat support piece on the way in, Guided turns him into an absolute beat stick the likes of which Protectorate doesn't really have at the moment. Edit: Plus, Avatar should be competing with the big boys (Behemoth, Deathjack, Imperatus, Tiberion). Let's not cut his points, let him cost more and make him worth it.
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Post by paradox on Jul 27, 2017 18:03:41 GMT
Guided will never happen. Way too good.
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doopsie
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Post by doopsie on Jul 27, 2017 18:05:31 GMT
Guided will never happen. Way too good. hence "pipe dream." Would be awesome, though.
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Post by draycos on Jul 28, 2017 12:51:40 GMT
I do want a 25 point beast of a heavy... Just crank the abilities. The sheer point cost will keep him out of lists he doesn't belong in. Then again behemoth is an auto include atm... and he is 25 points.
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Post by W0lfBane on Jul 28, 2017 14:53:20 GMT
I do want a 25 point beast of a heavy... Just crank the abilities. The sheer point cost will keep him out of lists he doesn't belong in. Then again behemoth is an auto include atm... and he is 25 points. Cause a bunch of people want a few really good jacks to fill their allowance and he goes that bill.
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Post by macdaddy on Jul 28, 2017 16:47:43 GMT
25 point avatar
+1 Pow on Sword and Shield Gains Blessed and field marshal blessed Menoth a Gaze becomes Directly towards Becomes Journeyman Warcaster Generates D3+3 Focus and can allocate to jacks in his control. Always considered to have a control of 8" Gains Boundless charge as a spell. (edit for derp) Gains +1 Arm
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Post by paradox on Jul 28, 2017 17:00:21 GMT
It already has Sacred Ward.
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Post by macdaddy on Jul 28, 2017 19:19:42 GMT
It already has Sacred Ward. Fixed! My bad!
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Post by paradox on Jul 28, 2017 20:28:31 GMT
Maybe +1 STR is cleaner than adding POW to both weapons.
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Post by greytemplar on Jul 29, 2017 15:59:22 GMT
I don't know if making him a Junior is a good idea. While that sounds cool, it actually makes him even more hideously expensive because you then MUST buy a jack for him. So the cheapest he would be is 32 points(Avatar+Dervish). 36 if you consider a min choir just for him and his dervish bro.
Granted, Reinforcing with focus on Arm22 is hilarious. You basically have to break arm27 to do anything. Arm27 that is immune to spells and non-magical shooting, though granted most shooting isn't doing anything to him anyway.
I think it would be funny to try with him. Maybe make that version the Avatar2. Avatar1 is the lone jack. Avatar2 is the more expensive junior version.
It would at least make him something truly scary. Give me an excuse to use this quote,
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Post by macdaddy on Jul 29, 2017 18:39:34 GMT
I wouldn't even care how good it was a journeyman avatar would be awesome Just buddy cop him with scourge of heresy or Eye of Truth
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Post by spideredd on Jul 29, 2017 18:50:14 GMT
Just buddy cop him with scourge of heresy or Eye of Truth So who would be the Bad Cop?
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Post by greytemplar on Jul 29, 2017 18:52:39 GMT
Scourge of course.
Avatar- "Look buddy, you might wanna give up the upkeep location to me. Otherwise my partner is gonna come in here, and he'll find it anyway. Just with a lot more pain"
Scourge- "PURGATIONMUDDAFUDDA!&$^@@)&*"
*indistinct screams and muffled sounds of pain*
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