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Post by Scrub_of_Menoth on Jul 21, 2017 14:41:46 GMT
Hmmm, hadn't really taken a look at Grymkin yet. Sounds great that there's another faction that is a really hard counter to us (along with Ret). /sarcasm On the plus side, the group that I normally play with have said that they didn't really like Grymkin when they were called Malifaux and don't like them any better now, so at least with that group I won't have to worry about them. Only have to be concerned at local game days/tourneys. One think I noticed is that Grymkin don't like remove from play or leap damage like Ashes to Ashes or Admonisher leaps. Many of they effects happens when an "enemy attack destroys" their models like Sorrowful Rampage on Katrina can be ignored by such abilities. Same with some abilities that make enemy models suffer a damage roll without an attack can ignore such abilities. It really does seem like, given the bogeyman that is Ghost Fleet and the Grymkin release, that stock in RFP effects is gonna keep on going up, up, up. |
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Post by demonic on Jul 21, 2017 17:23:31 GMT
from what I've noticed, PP has noticed the overload in jack heavy lists; all there themes as of late have focused on infantry units. I've also noticed this new number on everything's card and have still been trying to figure out what it's for since cost is still labeled separately.
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Post by moquan on Jul 21, 2017 17:28:12 GMT
from what I've noticed, PP has noticed the overload in jack heavy lists; all there themes as of late have focused on infantry units. I've also noticed this new number on everything's card and have still been trying to figure out what it's for since cost is still labeled separately. If you mean the circled 30/40/50, it refers to the base size of the model. |
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Post by demonic on Jul 21, 2017 17:41:17 GMT
yeah, I just noticed that
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Post by souleater on Jul 22, 2017 8:20:53 GMT
They should just put 'Base Size' next to that. 😀
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Post by spideredd on Jul 22, 2017 16:11:43 GMT
from what I've noticed, PP has noticed the overload in jack heavy lists; all there themes as of late have focused on infantry units. I've also noticed this new number on everything's card and have still been trying to figure out what it's for since cost is still labeled separately. If you mean the circled 30/40/50, it refers to the base size of the model. I think it'd be better as S/M/L/H, but there would need to be a minor update in the rulebook about what it meant. Mind you, there should be anyway. (if there isn't already) |
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Post by stelios on Jul 23, 2017 2:16:25 GMT
I have been thinking about it, and I think a lot of these issues could be very easily solved:
Start letting more of Menoth's support units into every theme, and maybe lower the point threshold for a free card by a bit to compensate for what other factions get.
It makes balance sense (because Menoth generally has lower stat lines specifically because those of those units that we now can't take in theme) and it also makes enormous thematic sense because most of those support assets aren't the kind of thing you would only see attached to a particular kind of unit in the Protectorate: the church permeates EVERY aspect of their military and thus it would make sense to see choir, book, Vessel, heirophants, etc. attached to literally any kind of Army that would be fielded by these Holy Rollers.....and they were if the latest book is anything to go by.
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Post by Provengreil on Jul 23, 2017 3:15:44 GMT
I have been thinking about it, and I think a lot of these issues could be very easily solved: Start letting more of Menoth's support units into every theme, and maybe lower the point threshold for a free card by a bit to compensate for what other factions get. It makes balance sense (because Menoth generally has lower stat lines specifically because those of those units that we now can't take in theme) and it also makes enormous thematic sense because most of those support assets aren't the kind of thing you would only see attached to a particular kind of unit in the Protectorate: the church permeates EVERY aspect of their military and thus it would make sense to see choir, book, Vessel, heirophants, etc. attached to literally any kind of Army that would be fielded by these Holy Rollers.....and they were if the latest book is anything to go by. 5 posts in and making us proud. I can only hope PP sees this...
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Post by Swampmist on Jul 23, 2017 3:29:40 GMT
yeah, hierophant and book not being in interdiction and guardians is super weird
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Post by paradox on Jul 23, 2017 4:02:25 GMT
The lack of hierophant other than in Creator's Might does make me sad. I start every list with a hiero and 2 wracks. All our castersdefinitely play like they are premised on having these.
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Post by Swampmist on Jul 23, 2017 4:19:15 GMT
straight up he's the one thing keeping my vindictus lists out of theme, even before the possibility of idrians in themes.
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Post by dmorktry on Jul 23, 2017 6:52:29 GMT
I would actually be incredibly okay with that. Hell, not to ruin an already good idea but the concept of having less options non-support wise to make room for abundant and free support would relight my fire for the faction. In regular lists, there's support pieces I haven't taken mainly because I'd feel I was playing too many non-support points down unless I built specifically with them in mind, stuff like the book and vassals for the most part. Opening the gates on support in themes that are heavily aware of the interactions between the models available as well as appropriately tiered free support would be really Firetrucking awesome.
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Post by gargs454 on Jul 23, 2017 13:36:48 GMT
The lack of hierophant other than in Creator's Might does make me sad. I start every list with a hiero and 2 wracks. All our castersdefinitely play like they are premised on having these. And the irony there is that Creator's Might arguably has the least need of of a Hierophant of the three themes. (Not saying it doesn't help of course, just that you can likely work around the lack of a hierophant better in that theme). |
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Post by demonic on Jul 23, 2017 16:56:13 GMT
yeah, I was thinking of using creator's might... then I found out that you can't even use infantry units with it (other than choir) and completely gave up on the idea. With current meta, if I can't have my defensive wall than the idea is a flop. Too many combined ranged attacks, arc nodes, and heavy damaging beasts to worry about in the first engagement.
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Post by greytemplar on Jul 23, 2017 17:01:38 GMT
I tested creators might with Idrians using the new cid rules. Its 100% better with that one screen unit.
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