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Post by Scrub_of_Menoth on Jul 19, 2017 13:55:23 GMT
From what we can tell, something happened in the transition off-shore and the mold got all Firetrucked up. That doesn't explain why every single one of the HIPS plastic models had insane delays to release. Also, even if you had an accident set you back, at most that should delay you a few months. So at most such a thing should have tacked on 2-3 months on a 6 month or so process. Not take ~2 years. PP has generally always had an extremely long time period between model design and model release. It's obviously something internal with them. As far as I know it was only the Grolar, Revelator, and one more thing (a cryx jack, I'm tempted to say?) that were delayed sufficiently for it to become a meme. I could be in error though. And here's what I posit to you; what if the manufacturing error was only noticed at end-stage production/upon delivery? That's what, a few months shipping time, then how many months of back-and-forth with the production company, contract review to establish fault/liability, possible litigation... add the complication that they're dealing with a Chinese company and the Chinese legal system. And on top of that a brand new production run with the defect corrected, either with the original manufacturer (after litigation and compensation were established) or another manufacturer, will take more time. See how it balloons? Plus something that convinces me they've got their shit together is the speed at which the latest models are released; if their issues were internal I don't think they'd have released Goreshade 4 or the Grymkin (which I think was produced in-house? Again I could be wrong) in a timely manner after announcement? In the end, shit happens, it'll come. One doesn't like PP's delays, then one can vote with the almighty wallet.
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Post by WantonRanger on Jul 19, 2017 14:12:12 GMT
I don't think the speed of their current model output is a reflection of anything except prioritising what will make them the most money. The rapidity of new models coming out for subfactions and likely the new skirmish models tell me that they are just doing the classic thing of wanting new players. They managed to push out shedloads of new sculpts yet not the 3 pieces required to alter the Revelator... seems pretty ridiculous but this what all companies do once they think you are on the hook.
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Post by WantonRanger on Jul 19, 2017 14:13:46 GMT
I don't think the speed of their current model output is a reflection of anything except prioritising what will make them the most money. The rapidity of new models coming out for subfactions and likely the new skirmish models tell me that they are just doing the classic thing of wanting new players. They managed to push out shedloads of new sculpts yet not the 3 pieces required to alter the Revelator... seems pretty ridiculous but this what all companies do once they think you are on the hook. I for one, will not be buying the revelator when I can just use the judicator with a minimum of modifications
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Post by Scrub_of_Menoth on Jul 19, 2017 14:20:51 GMT
I don't think the speed of their current model output is a reflection of anything except prioritising what will make them the most money. The rapidity of new models coming out for subfactions and likely the new skirmish models tell me that they are just doing the classic thing of wanting new players. They managed to push out shedloads of new sculpts yet not the 3 pieces required to alter the Revelator... seems pretty ridiculous but this what all companies do once they think you are on the hook. I for one, will not be buying the revelator when I can just use the judicator with a minimum of modifications Sure! That works too. But do consider that this is not an upgrade kit to the old resin + metal Judicator. The Revelator kit that will come will probably follow the example of the Hurricane/Stormwall and Helios/Hyperion multi kit and be a completely new model.
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Post by gargs454 on Jul 19, 2017 21:01:11 GMT
Y'all do realize that this is a sprue kit involving an entirely new production pipeline, logistics and paperwork, especially since it was probably made off shore? It may look the same but materials wise its different than the old white metal and resin Judicator. By the Creator, if you don't like it then don't buy it. Even with it being totally new territory for PP, the timeline is just way unacceptable. Any other company can, and they do, turn out plastic kits way more complex than the Judicator/Revelator kit in a small fraction of the time that PP did. PP's design process is glacially slow for the business, even with smaller companies with way fewer resources than PP does. Well, it does depend on a few things, not all of which are solely within PPs control. Assuming that they are not using their own production facility (which IIRC is likely since they are molded overseas), they then have to "share" so to speak with other companies wanting to use said facilities as well. The larger the company, in general, the higher priority. So, just as a hypothetical, if there was an error that was detected relatively late in the game, it may have pushed PP out of their then current window. It also created an issue in terms of fixing the error and then prioritizing with all the other models that were announced to be released. Just as an example, Dwarven Forge (which is likely a smaller company) recently ran their latest kickstarter even though they had not finished delivery on their last one. The reasoning was that they had a relatively narrow window with their partner in China for getting their order in or else having to wait a number of months more. As it is, current delivery expectation isn't until April for a KS that just finished (and that is actually not all that long compared to some companies -- Reaper for instance is just now delivering on their Bones III kickstarter which was in 2015 due to problems with their partner overseas. Now I think the biggest problem that PP can be faulted for is that they liked to announce all kinds of upcoming models even when they did not have said models "in hand" on "on the boat" so to speak. This of course makes everyone excited for the upcoming models but there's no initial timeline for much of them. To their credit, PP came out in Mk III and eventually said that any new model shown in a book would hopefully be available within 3 months, this would mean that production was likely already started on said model and close to being on the boat. Of course, now they are going away from books -- possibly to give themselves more time, and possibly because the books just were not all that profitable with War Room, etc. All of that said, I do agree that it should not have taken this long to get the Revelator here, and more to the point, I would note that we still do not have an actual release date yet (if I am not mistaken). The only silver lining is that there is apparently at least a prototype available, and I doubt that they would show off the prototype unless they expected the actual kit to hit stores in the "near-future".
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Jul 19, 2017 21:40:11 GMT
For a while, I sold swords that I purchased wholesale. The production facility burned down at one point, and it took years for everything to get back online again.
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Post by macdaddy on Jul 19, 2017 23:05:58 GMT
If it's a dual kit I will buy it...I'm pretty pumped!
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