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Post by ishruul on Mar 9, 2017 17:53:11 GMT
So tonight I'm bringing my newly painted Maelok to the table.
I'll probably end up playing against Khador, which is a constant pain in my...Achille's butt. So here's what on the menu:
Maelok the Dreadbound (+28) - Blinwalker (12) - Blackhide Wrastler (16) - Blackhide Wrastler (16) - Swamp Horror (14) Gatorman Witch Doctor (4) Lanyssa Ryssyl (4) Feralgeist (2) Ogrun Bokur (5) Gatorman Bokor & Bog Trog Shamblers (11) Gatorman Posse (17) Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew (2)
A pretty straight forward undead swarm. The goal is to feat and jam everything with the Bog Trog Shamblers and Gatorman Posse while beating the crap out of heavies with the Wrastler on elasticity and rage while the Blindwalker help apply mortality.
So I'll give more detail tomorrow on what I have faced and how I did with that first match.
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Post by RamsesII on Mar 9, 2017 18:44:55 GMT
Good luck man, i look forward to hearing the update.
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Post by Korianneder on Mar 9, 2017 18:52:03 GMT
Quick note. You can't have both elasticity and rage on a wrastler at once because they're both animi. A model can have only one animi at a time.
I like Maelok but I like to bring guns with him. His feat let's them back up when engaged or walk through and get the back bonus. Look forward to seeing how your list does though.
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Post by ishruul on Mar 9, 2017 19:25:08 GMT
Quick note. You can't have both elasticity and rage on a wrastler at once because they're both animi. A model can have only one animi at a time. I like Maelok but I like to bring guns with him. His feat let's them back up when engaged or walk through and get the back bonus. Look forward to seeing how your list does though. Wasn't it possible that warlock cast both Rage and elasticity on a warbeast? I thought they were considered spell that way. EDIT: yup, I feel dumb, already knew it. Guess using Rask for Fury + Rage kinda brainwashed me.
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Post by ishruul on Mar 10, 2017 16:54:27 GMT
So here's my report from last night. Even had time to play 2 games.
First match was against Trollblood with Doomy2 or whatever people like to call him. My opponent (a great and courteous guy btw) brought Roc, 2 mauler, a sword rager(i think that was it), the Auto-include Stone, a 3 guys unit that earthshake and whatnot, and some whelps. I may forgot 1 or 2 models.
Anyways, I lost the starting roll, 1st round everyone run up. Second turn he barely advance, just enough to cover the flags (oh, yes we played the incursion scenario, that's important). So having slow models, i try to jam him with shamblers, zombified and death warded sprinkled with feat. Would have worked if I only could succeed any tough roll(10 missed in a row). So round 3 it's me getting pummeled (and snacked)by everything he got, nothing was left standing beside the Witch doctor, feralgeist and Lanyssa for round my turn 3. We shook hand on a 2-5 scenario lost on my part.
Second matchup, that one was with a friend who brought a CoC theme force with dual colossal and a saw thrower with the Swiss Army Knife Warcaster at the helm (also a buttload of floating star wars jedi training balls). First thing I said before starting the match was "Are you sure you got no more than 75 points there, champ?", second thing I said was "Can you verify if I brought 75points? I kinda feel a little short!".
So I lost the starting roll again and 1 CoC turn everything run up, all flags were cover by at least a colossal or his balls. My turn, I used all my wit and wisdom and strategize that running up is the best course of action because ranged attack with his colossal would devastate my guys. Round 2, my Bokor is dead with all shamblers (2 ranged hit from a colossal) 2 wrastler dead from dragging and punching, courtesy of the same colossal. At this point I just conceded the game seeing how ridiculously my butt was hurt.
I may have lost 2 games, but I had fun and learned a lot too. My initial thought on Maelok were: "Cool, a warlock that buff the posse and can revive then and WOW undead +2 arm on almost everything!", but in practice it's more "Hmm...I thought he would bring more to the table, no pathfinder, no threat extension." Incorporal on feat is nice but should really be 1 round for defensive use, not just the pseudo pop and drop on the account that the speed Gatorman bring is really subpar. I don't really feel bad for Maelok anyway, I just wanted to try him out a bit and confirm that he really isn't the caster for me.
Another point we discuss last night was the direction our meta was going. A lot of list are now Khador, Cygnar, CoC with dual colossal, even Scyrah with "3" (I can't even begin to comprehend how PP let that one slip) or the Warmachine Jack spam (we all faced them). So, I may seem like a cry-baby, but I asked those player (the best polite way I could) to not bring them against me anymore for the simple fact that they are no fun (at all) to play against. I don't mind conceding turn 1 if the playing field is just 1 way. I do understand the difference between a Steamroller Tournament and a friendly game at the local LFG, myself ranking pretty high each time(even got official SR papers and all)...anyway that's just my 2 cents.
So in conclusion, my Maelok dish was cold and stale. So next time I'll try some Jaga-Jaga savory delight.
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Post by Korianneder on Mar 10, 2017 18:12:48 GMT
You've discovered the reason I don't like playing Maelok with a pure melee army. He does nothing to speed them up, so you're left spending turns running towards your opponent, and his feat is not defensive enough to be useful. Lanyssa helps, but even with hunter's mark you're still outthreat by a lot of stuff in the game.
I do want to make a couple of comments though. First, Maelok does have pathfinder. His feat gives everything incorporeal which is basically a better version of pathfinder. Second, troll beasts (not sure what model the sword rager you're talking about is) only snack on living models. They can't snack your undead models. So if you put zombify or death pact on a unit of posse the trolls can't remove them from play. Also if you wanted to be able to deal with drags from the axioms you can bring stealth models. If you stick a stealth model like a totem hunter in front of your wrastler then the axiom can't drag your wrastler in because it will hit the totem hunter. And he can't shoot the totem hunter because it has stealth.
Maelok wouldn't be my first choice against double/triple colossals or jack spam. From a gator standpoint that would definitely be Rask. He has boundless charge in addition to Lanyssa for a 4 inch threat increase and a free charge. He has fury + rage for massive killing power. I had a swamp horror kill two Khador heavies by himself in one turn. Jaga-Jaga looks fun, but I've only played a few games with her.
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Post by ishruul on Mar 10, 2017 19:27:22 GMT
I do want to make a couple of comments though. First, Maelok does have pathfinder. His feat gives everything incorporeal which is basically a better version of pathfinder. Second, troll beasts (not sure what model the sword rager you're talking about is) only snack on living models. They can't snack your undead models. So if you put zombify or death pact on a unit of posse the trolls can't remove them from play. I have to give it to you for Incorporeal better than Pathfinder, still limited by feat. For the snacking, damn you're spot on, never crossed my mind last night. I looked it up, the sword rage ris in fact a Troll Axer, I'm really not great at remembering stuff I don't own.
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