thelat
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Malekus
Sept 13, 2017 4:23:18 GMT
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Post by thelat on Sept 13, 2017 4:23:18 GMT
I think Feora3 may be a better fit if trying to go super-Zealots. It's a little riskier, but Incite + HoJ (yay being able to take your own character jack in theme) + prayer makes them RAT7, POW18 bombs with POW12 blast damage. It's also repeatable, and she also has Redline to crank a jack. For what it's worth, don't run this into Cryx. I had a bad time. But when this bombs hit, they do amazing things.
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Post by stelios on Sept 13, 2017 18:47:44 GMT
Regular Cryx or ghost fleet Crx? Big difference.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Sept 13, 2017 19:21:48 GMT
Any thoughts on Malekus with faithful Masses? There's some potentially nasty synergies with zealots. Tried it last week. I'm not excited, mostly because he didn't really do anything other than what the non theme list did, just a bit more of it. Doesn't change his style at all. Also, he still pretty much fails into any shooting defense worth having, which is terrible for a gunline caster. He has none of our typical attrition and very little to help our abysmal ranges on the waracks he wantss to take (vanquishers). I only won because of a desperate assassination run involving scourge and feat and blind luck. from the very start, I was outranged, outgunned, and dead on scenario. From Cryx.
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doopsie
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Post by doopsie on Sept 13, 2017 20:04:17 GMT
Don't take Vanquishers with Malekus. I know, they're super-tempting, but it's a ton of points for a single shot.
Instead, take Repenters. Repenters are squishier, and don't hit as hard, but you get 2 of them plus an extra point for funsies. Every time I've had success with Malekus, it's been by flooding the board with a volume of attacks that Malekus makes super-good on feat turn.
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Post by streetpizza on Sept 13, 2017 20:09:20 GMT
I think the revelator is the only piece he needs to finally find his niche ... well that and having his feat changed to affect damage originating from models in his control but I'm a dreamer.
Come November I could myself trying this out:
Protectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Faithful Masses (CID)
(Malekus 1) Malekus, the Burning Truth [+30] - Eye of Truth [20] - Revelator [37] - Hierophant [0(3)] Vassal of Menoth [0(3)] Vassal of Menoth [3] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Deliverer Sunburst Crew [5] Deliverer Sunburst Crew [5] Holy Zealots (max) [12] - Monolith Bearer [3] Holy Zealots (max) [12] - Monolith Bearer [3]
Two upgraded vanquishers strapped to two reckoners for a fraction of the price and I don't need Rohven? Yes please.
Alternatively this:
Protectorate Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Guardians of the Temple
(Malekus 1) Malekus, the Burning Truth [+30] - Eye of Truth [20] - Revelator [37] Vassal of Menoth [3] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Daughters of the Flame [10] Flameguard Cleansers (max) [15] - Flameguard Cleanser Officer [0(4)] Flameguard Cleansers (max) [15] - Flameguard Cleanser Officer [0(4)]
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Sept 13, 2017 20:54:30 GMT
Regular Cryx or ghost fleet Crx? Big difference. It wasn't ghost fleet.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 14, 2017 12:01:10 GMT
Don't take Vanquishers with Malekus. I know, they're super-tempting, but it's a ton of points for a single shot. Instead, take Repenters. Repenters are squishier, and don't hit as hard, but you get 2 of them plus an extra point for funsies. Every time I've had success with Malekus, it's been by flooding the board with a volume of attacks that Malekus makes super-good on feat turn. Someone else takes repenters in mass? haha I have so many from battlebox purchases and ebay lots that I was wondering what to do with them haha. Those little guys DO WORK. On feat turn the POW 14 WM sprays are pretty disgusting too and in FM you can get them to Pow 17 on their flails.
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Post by streetpizza on Sept 14, 2017 14:25:36 GMT
Pow 17 trivially with the choir but pow 19 flails with ignite right? Don't have War Room in front of me at the moment.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 14, 2017 14:31:58 GMT
Pow 17 trivially with the choir but pow 19 flails with ignite right? Don't have War Room in front of me at the moment. yes Which means they are hitting as hard as a reckoner with battle (and have chain weapon.) *Idea* They are mini reckoners
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Post by streetpizza on Sept 14, 2017 14:36:43 GMT
Pow 17 trivially with the choir but pow 19 flails with ignite right? Don't have War Room in front of me at the moment. yes Which means they are hitting as hard as a reckoner with battle (and have chain weapon.) *Idea* They are mini reckoners With blessed weapons from Eye. That's ... wow. So I took the concept to conflict chamber and I think this could actually have some real legs to it: Protectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Faithful Masses (CID) (Malekus 1) Malekus, the Burning Truth [+30] - Eye of Truth [20] - Repenter [8] - Repenter [8] - Hierophant [3] Champion of the Order of the Wall [8] High Paladin Dartan Vilmon [0(6)] Initiate Tristan Durant [0(4)] - Repenter [8] - Repenter [8] Vassal of Menoth [3] Wrack [1] Wrack [1] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (max) [6] Holy Zealots (max) [12] - Monolith Bearer [3] Holy Zealots (max) [12] - Monolith Bearer [3] Alternatively Protectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Faithful Masses (CID) (Malekus 1) Malekus, the Burning Truth [+30] - Eye of Truth [20] - Repenter [8] - Repenter [8] - Hierophant [0(3)] Allegiant of the Order of the Fist [3] Initiate Tristan Durant [0(4)] - Repenter [8] - Repenter [8] Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [4] Vassal of Menoth [3] Wrack [1] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (max) [6] Holy Zealots (max) [12] - Monolith Bearer [3] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5]
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Post by stelios on Sept 17, 2017 2:10:33 GMT
So basically....I need to buy more zealots.
Also keep in mind that works with EoT as well....which means that thing will even chew up colossals and nastiest battle engines in the game.
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Post by pattison on Sept 19, 2017 18:16:51 GMT
I think making his feat similar to N3mo's would be a great fixer, ie. damages not buffed against enemies within, but for attacks made by friendlies within. That way he could stay further back and still have a decent feat. Not that the stuff we can dish out in the fire department (haha) is anywhere comparable to the stuff Cygnar can dish out in the electro one, but still. Open Fire also needs to go down to Focus 1, I agree.
@op: your list is pretty similar to my list. And your experiences too.
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Malekus
Sept 19, 2017 19:49:04 GMT
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Post by eggory on Sept 19, 2017 19:49:04 GMT
What I think makes him so fun is his feat turn. I was running this at the beggining of the edition and actually won a few games. Feat turn you just lay out all of the templates for maximum destruction.
War Room Army
Protectorate of Menoth - burn stuff
Theme: No Theme Selected 75 / 75 Army
Malekus, the Burning Truth - WJ: +30 - Hand of Judgment - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18) - Reckoner - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12) - Castigator - PC: 12 - Vanquisher - PC: 17
Vassal of Menoth - PC: 3
Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4 Flameguard Cleansers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Flameguard Cleanser Officer - PC: 4 Holy Zealots - Leader & 9 Grunts: 13 - Monolith Bearer - PC: 3
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GENERATED : 09/19/2017 15:45:04 BUILD ID : 2047.17-07-25
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Sept 20, 2017 16:09:44 GMT
I fully plan to run Malekus once Faithful Masses hits. And yes, I'm doing Eye of Truth and Repenter spam as well, coupled with Zealots. Free points will be Sunbursts. Can't decide between 2 Zealots + UA and 1 Deliverers or 3 Zealots + UA. Deliverers threaten assassination, which is always fun, but the list otherwise isn't well built for it.
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blakeh1
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Post by blakeh1 on Sept 20, 2017 18:22:32 GMT
I fully plan to run Malekus once Faithful Masses hits. And yes, I'm doing Eye of Truth and Repenter spam as well, coupled with Zealots. Free points will be Sunbursts. Can't decide between 2 Zealots + UA and 1 Deliverers or 3 Zealots + UA. Deliverers threaten assassination, which is always fun, but the list otherwise isn't well built for it. I'd go with all Zealots and Sunbursts over the Deliverers since the Deliverers do not have damage type fire. Zealots and Sunbursts do
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