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Post by iamlegion on Mar 8, 2017 22:11:32 GMT
Well, that's it then. PP officially is going to follow the GW plan. I'm going to quit this game before it gets worse. Again, see information above as to why this move makes perfect sense in the current political\social climate of volunteer judging. I disagree. If they were concerned about the legal issues they could have made changes or suspended the program, not cancelled it.
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Post by joedj on Mar 8, 2017 22:11:38 GMT
Sadly just dropped the 'pg' off my username in these boards. Not kneejerk, just the truth. I'm sure I'll still be running events/tourneys as long as our venue owner, my friend, has need of an enthusiastic EO for WM/Hordes.
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Post by redoctober on Mar 8, 2017 22:13:01 GMT
PPS_Jackson:
The program has had an amazing positive impact on the WARMACHINE & HORDES community for years, but over the years it has grown to a point that we do not feel we can continue to offer both the Press Gangers as well as our retail customers the individualized attention we were once able to. As such, we will be changing how we support our events by providing support directly to stores in our event kits and removing the requirements of event reporting from event organizers. We hope that Press Gangers will continue to organize events and remain pillars of their local communities and we will be making great exclusive prizes available to retailers to support the efforts of all event organizers.
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Post by Swampmist on Mar 8, 2017 22:13:23 GMT
Feel free to have no confidence, but too much salt won't do any good. It sounds like this is not surprise, and was very much a move that PP would not have wanted to make (and, honestly, probably wouldn't have without the lawsuit issues.) Keep calm everyone, I know they lack goodwill, but that doesn't mean we have to turn into a bunch of saltwater sharks EDT: Ninja'd by actual info. Sounds like they are focussing on running communities through stores, rather than people. Not sure about you all, but having ,my store able to actually run events despite the closest PG being like 45 mins+ away sounds like a good move
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Post by Scrub_of_Menoth on Mar 8, 2017 22:13:51 GMT
My gut reaction was kinda virulent to say the least. Then once that faded I'm going to wait and see what happens.
From what I've heard, the parting email was very gracious and there was gratitude in abundance, so it makes it easier for me to be patient and see where things go.
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Post by gunndrakcapthide on Mar 8, 2017 22:14:44 GMT
Feel free to have no confidence, but too much salt won't do any good. It sounds like this is not surprise, and was very much a move that PP would not have wanted to make (and, honestly, probably wouldn't have without the lawsuit issues.) Keep calm everyone, I know they lack goodwill, but that doesn't mean we have to turn into a bunch of saltwater sharks I agree. Let's not import salt and try to stay upbeat. This forum seems to be taking off. We should organize events/forums based on our geographical locations.
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Post by iamlegion on Mar 8, 2017 22:16:59 GMT
Feel free to have no confidence, but too much salt won't do any good. It sounds like this is not surprise, and was very much a move that PP would not have wanted to make (and, honestly, probably wouldn't have without the lawsuit issues.) Keep calm everyone, I know they lack goodwill, but that doesn't mean we have to turn into a bunch of saltwater sharks I just decided this was my "farewell tour" I'll probably not be back to this forum (or any PP discussions) after today. PP is no longer the company I've supported for the last 8 years. I'm leaving, because I watched this happen to GW 10-15 years ago, and it's happening again. Your all in for a LOT of hurt. I'm truly sorry for that, but it's coming now.
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Post by Warsmith on Mar 8, 2017 22:17:50 GMT
Whow... Another totally unexpected move... What was the last message to the press gang you were referring too? They recently removed the Quartermaster from his position and the program was going to be run by a committee. It's just that the wording they used in the announcement was really strongly implying that the committee was temporary and a more permanent resolution was coming soon. After the announcement, many PGs remarked how it sounded like they were ending the program. That was a little over a month or so ago and now they really did end it.
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Post by joedj on Mar 8, 2017 22:20:27 GMT
Whow... Another totally unexpected move... What was the last message to the press gang you were referring too? It seems another very bad move... I seriously doubt that, if they havent the manpower to deal with the Press Gang (basically, the Quartermaster...) they actually have the manpower to deal with thousands of stores around the world... Expecially in Europe or in other not american countries, I seriously doubt that PP has the contact and the resources to do what the Press Gangers were doing until now... I'm at loss, I seriously can't understand PP recent moves at all... Seems that they are really trying to suicide.. PP will just be using their distributors as 'free contacts and manpower' to disseminate their prize support(s) to stores around the world. The question is, who'll administer the actual events/leagues/tourneys. Instead of a centralized-guided method, Pressgangers, there will be myriad game shop/game club 'deciders' who'll administer based on their views. I suspect increasingly differing WM/Hordes organized play experiences may occur going forward.
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Post by Scrub_of_Menoth on Mar 8, 2017 22:23:01 GMT
Whow... Another totally unexpected move... What was the last message to the press gang you were referring too? It seems another very bad move... I seriously doubt that, if they havent the manpower to deal with the Press Gang (basically, the Quartermaster...) they actually have the manpower to deal with thousands of stores around the world... Expecially in Europe or in other not american countries, I seriously doubt that PP has the contact and the resources to do what the Press Gangers were doing until now... I'm at loss, I seriously can't understand PP recent moves at all... Seems that they are really trying to suicide.. PP will just be using their distributors as 'free contacts and manpower' to disseminate their prize support(s) to stores around the world. The question is, who'll administer the actual events/leagues/tourneys. Instead of a centralized-guided method, Pressgangers, there will be myriad game shop/game club 'deciders' who'll administer based on their views. I suspect increasingly differing WM/Hordes organized play experiences may occur going forward. Wasn't differing organized play experiences happening already anyways? PG's were different too, ranging from the ones who organized big tourneys to the ones who were PG's in name only. I know that in my local metas, the (now former?) PG's have stepped up and stated that very little will change and events are still going to run.
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Post by Warsmith on Mar 8, 2017 22:24:26 GMT
I certainly understand that the Gang was too big for them to handle. They showed that constantly with delays in everything, but I am not sure how they are going to get shops to run events with any regularity or consistency. If the Press Gang was too much for them then thousands or more stores can't be easier.
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studderingdave
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Post by studderingdave on Mar 8, 2017 22:28:14 GMT
I type and I erase. I hate ranting. This REALLY sucks though. I feel it could have been handled another way.
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Post by almightyfoon on Mar 8, 2017 22:31:02 GMT
I don't think its an intentional implosion I think its just kneejerk reactions relating back to a lack of Man power and an increased popularity. They didn't have the man power to contain the salt, close down the mines, they don't have the manpower to handle the complaints about new releases and calls for nerfing, let the community help, don't have the manpower to manage the PG's, so long and thanks for all the fish.
I can see the reasoning between the first two, but the PG thing is kind of a shock. I really don't believe that stores are going to be even a third as enthusiastic about running events as a mildly motivated PG. They need to cater to the card players that keep the lights on and don't have time to deal with us miniature players.
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Post by albertairish on Mar 8, 2017 22:33:07 GMT
The game store owners in my area couldn't organize a paint section, let alone a tournament or community. It'll basically depend on whether the former Press Gangers are willing to keep doing the work with zero recognition nor reward.
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Post by Saik7007 on Mar 8, 2017 22:41:38 GMT
The game store owners in my area couldn't organize a paint section, let alone a tournament or community. It'll basically depend on whether the former Press Gangers are willing to keep doing the work with zero recognition nor reward. Yeah my store has the same problem. Our Press Ganger was the only reason stuff was getting done. Our store owner has a bit of a hard-on for GW (even though only 4 people play it) so if anyone tries to do anything non-GW they better organize it themselves. This might mean the death of Warmahordes in my community.
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