pithlit
Baby's First Wargame
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Post by pithlit on Oct 3, 2017 6:22:59 GMT
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isotope
Junior Strategist
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Post by isotope on Oct 3, 2017 12:21:52 GMT
If by overlap you mean same theme, same caster and like 3 models are the same...
I am not the biggest combo smite fan after watching their stream a few times and seeing how inaccurate they play some of the rules.
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Post by adakai on Oct 3, 2017 13:44:37 GMT
Hmmm so what about Vyros 1 in Forges of War instead? Bring more jacks and a unit of Nyss Hunters to shoot first then set up the flanks?
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Post by elladan52 on Oct 3, 2017 14:08:04 GMT
Hmmm so what about Vyros 1 in Forges of War instead? Bring more jacks and a unit of Nyss Hunters to shoot first then set up the flanks? That's what I'm thinking, specifically because it can be tough to get all his upkeeps out and because you can bring the Arcanist unit. |
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Oct 3, 2017 15:33:34 GMT
Hmmm so what about Vyros 1 in Forges of War instead? Bring more jacks and a unit of Nyss Hunters to shoot first then set up the flanks? I found that I never considered FoW for anyone but Rahn until now, the ability to have any for of combat unit really helps. |
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Post by adakai on Oct 4, 2017 15:41:42 GMT
Theme: Forges of War
2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Dawnlord Vyros - WJ: +28
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 0
- Imperatus - PC: 22 (Battlegroup Points Used: 22)
- Griffon - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 6)
- Griffon - PC: 8
- Griffon - PC: 8
- Griffon - PC: 8
- Griffon - PC: 8
- Chimera - PC: 8
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
House Shyeel Magister - PC: 0
Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters - Cylena & 9 Grunts: 19
- Soulless Escort - PC: 1
House Shyeel Arcanists - Leader & 2 Grunts: 7
THEME: Forges of War
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I dropped this at a tournament last week. I only played it twice but I really enjoyed it. It's super fast w/ mobility/fleet and running nyss. Turn 1 you can run 18" with your griffons and 14" with imperatus. I use my Nyss pretty liberally to set up flanks (often the ones that run off to set the flank are way out of command) and half of them usually hang back in command to attack the following turn. Being speed 7 really helps. It does a lot of work on feat turn and hopefully attritions/jams well enough to pull ahead on scenario or sneak an assassination.
On my feat turn I killed 3 skorne heavies and 1 light with 4 griffons and imperatus. The extra focus from all your arcanist solos/unit help too.
Vyros 1 can also lock down almost any target with a chimera arcing stranglehold w/syls secrets.
Its a really fun list. try it out!
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Post by psycomonky on Oct 5, 2017 17:32:11 GMT
I was thinking about something more shooty for him. I havent found griffons to be reliable into non circle/legion/ret heavies. They dont do much outside of feat turn for me. My current untested list is:
Vyross
3x manticore
Imperitus
Gorgon
Full Nyss
2x arcanist
1x house shyeel arcanist unit
free artificer
free magister
free eiryss1
With three manticors and the nyss hungers I think i can just take a turn to shoot off the enemy's screening unit. The following turn its time to feat and go in, though as I said I haven't tested it yet. I also considered swapping imperitus for a hydra and another gorgon fiddling the points around to make it work.
The gorgons are there to buy another turn of combat for the heavies in case you are curious. On the first turn of shooting they can easily screw with the enemies threat range and let you play slightly forward. When you send your hitters in the gorgon locks down something you don't have the models to take out so that your hitters can finish it off a turn later. I have found it worked very well with Helena lists before themes dropped. Its actually particularly good there as you can shoot one model then scoot into combat with another.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Oct 9, 2017 2:02:36 GMT
After thinking about the list a little more I've refined it a bit and I'm pretty happy with what it's looking like.
Theme: Shadows of the Retribution
1 / 1 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Dawnlord Vyros - WJ: +28
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4
- Imperatus - PC: 22 (Battlegroup Points Used: 22)
- Banshee - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 6)
- Daemon - PC: 16
Elara, Tyro of the Third Chamber - PC: 0
- Harpy - PC: 9
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Spears of Scyrah - Leader & 2 Grunts: 9
- Eiryss, Mage Hunter Commander - PC: 6
Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters - Cylena & 5 Grunts: 12
- Soulless Escort - PC: 1
The Daemon seems to be a nice piece for this list. When facing an opponent with arcane shield or defenders ward you can send him in on feat with his blessed weapons, against other lists his gun can pull stuff blocking charge lanes for Imperatus/Banshee on feat turn then be a late game heavy. Harpy on elara for thunderbolt shoot and scoot.
Looking at pairing this with something like this:
Kaelyssa, The Night's Whisper - WJ: +29
- Banshee - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18)
- Banshee - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11)
Dawnguard Sentinel Scyir - PC: 4
- Hydra - PC: 15
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios - PC: 0
Dawnguard Sentinels - Leader & 9 Grunts: 18
- Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 0
- Soulless Escort - PC: 1
- Soulless Escort - PC: 1
Dawnguard Sentinels - Leader & 9 Grunts: 18
- Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4
- Soulless Escort - PC: 1
I think both lists offer control/denial and a strong alpha.
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Post by adakai on Oct 11, 2017 14:08:49 GMT
Cool! Let us know how it pairs - going to any tournaments with this pairing anytime soon?
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Oct 11, 2017 14:35:13 GMT
Cool! Let us know how it pairs - going to any tournaments with this pairing anytime soon? Sadly my painter's ETA for the stuff I need for this is probably end of december/january. Since we have to wait on the Harpy release anyways it's not like I could have fielded the lists before then anyways. |
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Post by adakai on Oct 11, 2017 16:23:38 GMT
Cool! Let us know how it pairs - going to any tournaments with this pairing anytime soon? Sadly my painter's ETA for the stuff I need for this is probably end of december/january. Since we have to wait on the Harpy release anyways it's not like I could have fielded the lists before then anyways. Wow I cant believe I missed that Elara was bringing the harpy LOL for some reason i think i read it as hydra. Either way, looks like a solid list - maybe I'll try a variation of it (with the models I have) |
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Oct 11, 2017 17:58:45 GMT
Sadly my painter's ETA for the stuff I need for this is probably end of december/january. Since we have to wait on the Harpy release anyways it's not like I could have fielded the lists before then anyways. Wow I cant believe I missed that Elara was bringing the harpy LOL for some reason i think i read it as hydra. Either way, looks like a solid list - maybe I'll try a variation of it (with the models I have) Yea. The thought behind the package is that elara can score a flag while the harpy shoots and scoots and maybe toes a zone after thunderbolting heavies away. |
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Dec 21, 2017 18:23:36 GMT
Was discussing the most recent variation I've settled on with someone and figured I'd update the thread.
Retribution Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Shadows of the Retribution
(Vyros 1) Dawnlord Vyros [+28]
- Banshee [18]
- Imperatus [22]
- Siren [8]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [0(4)]
Arcanist Mechanik [2]
Arcanist Mechanik [2]
Arcanist Mechanik [2]
Elara, Tyro of the Third Chamber [4]
- Harpy [9]
Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters (max) [19]
- Soulless Escort (1) [1]
Spears of Scyrah [9]
- Eiryss, Mage Hunter Commander [6]
- Soulless Escort (1) [1]
Still waiting on this stuff to be painted but the list is pretty set at this point. I've been playing my above mentioned Kae list paired with random stuff for now and it is a strong list. I think this will shore up it's weaknesses better than the Ossyan/Helynna pairings I've been using.
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Post by squallish on Dec 22, 2017 1:55:39 GMT
Would Lanyssa be a better fit over Sylys? Without an arc node, how often are you using the extra focus that a free charge with an extra 2" wouldn't be better for?
I think you could even add 4 soulless escorts, 2 to each unit and get her for free.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Dec 22, 2017 6:22:45 GMT
Would Lanyssa be a better fit over Sylys? Without an arc node, how often are you using the extra focus that a free charge with an extra 2" wouldn't be better for? I think you could even add 4 soulless escorts, 2 to each unit and get her for free. The extra focus, arcane secrets( for a late game stranglehold), and +2" on non arc node spells make Sylys a sttong choice. Imperatus already charges for free with the bond. I do like lanyssa and it might br worth a try in a practixe game i think Sylys will remain in the list. |
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