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Post by macdaddy on May 10, 2017 22:44:37 GMT
Hey all I want to run this but need to buy 3? Indictor and one Templar kit AND the avatar to make it work. I really really want to run it but it's a lot of money annnnddd I want to see if it's any good. So here's it is!
Durst:
Hierophant,
2 Templars
3 Indictors
Avatar
Max Chior
2 Vassals
2 Mechaniks
All Arm 23 from ranged and chanting no spells. Think I could drop it into Cygnar?
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spideredd
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Post by spideredd on May 11, 2017 9:43:22 GMT
I think so.
ARM 23 vs shooting is good vs Cygnar.
I personally have more preference for Templars over Indictors, but can see the case for both.
I like the Avatar with Durst, he's the best person to get it to work. If you can get the old one, it makes it so much cheaper.
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Post by macdaddy on May 11, 2017 16:23:57 GMT
I think so. ARM 23 vs shooting is good vs Cygnar. I personally have more preference for Templars over Indictors, but can see the case for both. If I like the Avatar with Durst, he's the best person to get it to work. If you can get the old one, it makes it so much cheaper. Been searching for the old one. I think the main reason I want indictors is so that i can battle and still have models immune to spells particularly since I want to drop this into haley 2. I'm thinking maybe trying to make it 2 min units of chior instead for more diversity with hyms. Do you think it has game into any other match ups? Ghost fleet just because denny cant debuff and you can just slowly grind with magical weapons? |
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Post by W0lfBane on May 11, 2017 17:18:22 GMT
I have an unopened box of the butter-knife special edition scult of the avatar. You want?
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spideredd
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Post by spideredd on May 11, 2017 17:27:51 GMT
I think so. ARM 23 vs shooting is good vs Cygnar. I personally have more preference for Templars over Indictors, but can see the case for both. If I like the Avatar with Durst, he's the best person to get it to work. If you can get the old one, it makes it so much cheaper. Been searching for the old one. I think the main reason I want indictors is so that i can battle and still have models immune to spells particularly since I want to drop this into haley 2. I'm thinking maybe trying to make it 2 min units of chior instead for more diversity with hyms. Do you think it has game into any other match ups? Ghost fleet just because denny cant debuff and you can just slowly grind with magical weapons? I like to run Durst when he's using the Avatar with two minimum choirs because the Avatar likes to be on one side of your force. As for game into other match ups, I think that it does have game, but it struggles with volume of attacks, so it may not work so well against ghost fleet, but that's only a theory because there are no Cryx players around here. Honestly, if your meta is happy with you testing this list out with proxies before you spend over $200 on warjacks, I would for a game or two to try it out in your meta. |
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Post by macdaddy on May 11, 2017 17:33:17 GMT
I have an unopened box of the butter-knife special edition scult of the avatar. You want? Wait what is this? Is that the old one with the stubby sword? I have a Local Menoth player who may let me use some of his jacks (hes got a bigger collection than me.) I mostly have jacks with guns because I started collecting back in Mk2 when reckoners were the hot craze. Im slowly selling off my nids from 40K so maybe if I can win a few steamrollers and finish selling the nids Ill be able to buy the jacks without going too crazy  |
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Post by greytemplar on May 11, 2017 17:38:43 GMT
I'm afraid you'll have a bad time with this. Especially against Cygnar if he brings someone like Caine3, who is the new hotness. With the Armory objective and Arlen, he can make 2 of his jacks have magic guns. Which is most likely going to be one of the Colossals and one other thing. Then you have the ranged synergy on his feat turn.
If you play against sub-standard Cygnar without Arlen or the Armory objective, then you will do better because they won't be able to shoot you. Just beware of Caine, he can and will assassinate Durst fairly trivially. All versions of caine can also kill the Choir easily, and then it's open season for shooting your jacks.
I suppose the good news is that Haley won't be able to do anything to you because her offensive spells will be worthless.
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Post by macdaddy on May 11, 2017 18:03:18 GMT
I'm afraid you'll have a bad time with this. Especially against Cygnar if he brings someone like Caine3, who is the new hotness. With the Armory objective and Arlen, he can make 2 of his jacks have magic guns. Which is most likely going to be one of the Colossals and one other thing. Then you have the ranged synergy on his feat turn. If you play against sub-standard Cygnar without Arlen or the Armory objective, then you will do better because they won't be able to shoot you. Just beware of Caine, he can and will assassinate Durst fairly trivially. All versions of caine can also kill the Choir easily, and then it's open season for shooting your jacks. I suppose the good news is that Haley won't be able to do anything to you because her offensive spells will be worthless. There is a heck of a lot of haley 2 and 3 floating around near me. The only caine 3 i have seen is the merc player who plays him with a galleon. I mean arm 23 with repair and shield guard to soak hits seems to be a pretty reliable defense fro most gunlines. I need to playtest it obviously but I don't think its going to be this awful experience against caine 3. |
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Post by doopsie on May 11, 2017 19:15:59 GMT
I would certainly proxy it first if possible, as I don't see any other need for 3 indictors/guardians. I think it'll be fine, in my experience (using a Tristan list), caine3 can certainly be overwhelmed by armor-spam.
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Post by W0lfBane on May 11, 2017 20:46:23 GMT
I have an unopened box of the butter-knife special edition scult of the avatar. You want? Wait what is this? Is that the old one with the stubby sword? Its the old sculpt with the stubby sword. I'll also send you a butter knife so you can mods it to have a more intimidating sword |
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Post by Vyngynce on May 14, 2017 19:17:55 GMT
I agree that you should proxy this first. I can tell you from experience that Durst is actually really bad against Cygnar, especially Haley2. This list is too slow to contend on scenario well, and even with the high armor stats, you wont trade well against other lists that have long threats. The largest issue is melee reach and base speed. In my opinion, not a good trade for the armor buff. I think that running Reckoners instead of Indictors is usually better, even though they are more expensive. The trade is 12 DEF 23 ARM Indictors vs shooting and spells compared to 14 DEF 21 ARM Reckoners. Still very tanky, in my opinion. Maybe try this list:
Durst
Templar
Templar
Indictor
Reckoner
Reckoner
Avatar
MIn Choir (Avatar and Indictor don't need protection from spells as they have sacred ward)
Mechaniks x 2
Vassals x 2
Heirophant
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Post by macdaddy on May 15, 2017 2:10:52 GMT
Hmmmm Reckoners...that's a really good idea. I actually have 4 of those... thank you very much I'm gonna start playing around making lists with Reckoners and I'll post one on here when I think I have one I like! Thank you very much!
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