Good to see you added the updates for the PoD theme force. I'm struggling not making lists outside of theme because playing 12-16 points down just feels bad.
Do you find any lack of flexibility when playing in theme? That's supposed to be the balancing cost to getting all those free points.
I don't know about Voltron, but I don't. We can't bring our infantry, but for the most part we weren't anyways. That being said, we have an infantry theme list that also plays 12~20 points up and has some killer benefits. I still use it, but the viable casters to do it with is a much shorter list.
I dont know that ANY caster is close to "unplayable" in PoD. Even Madrak 2 has some great things to speak for it. Sure, he loses out on Blood Fury (seriously, if you could have brought Warders in Pod, like you could in EE, i would easily play PoD with Madrak 2) but Warpath and the field Marshal are superb then, and you do not use that much in his normal build, so you are trading off in any case. And Madrak 2 is the only case that is borderline imo. All other casters seem at least as good in PoD as outside it to me at least.
Saw this on the PP forum but was only a lurker there. So, overdue but: THANK YOU for making this! Very handy guide.
I've been loving playing trolls overall so far (on week 3 of a JML so far, with somewhat modified rules), but I have to say... I'm having a lot of frustration getting used to the krielstone. Fueling, keeping topped off, positioning just right, etc. all just feels like a lot of homework. I know this is probably true for many support models, but they aren't "cool," they're just... a bunch of effort for a passive buff. Note I'm not saying they're not strong... I'm probably ill-qualified to say that and from everything I hear they are. Just... having a rough time.
Without derailing the thread/guide, I hate the Krielstone and have never taken it. Definitely feels like too much effort, too many rules in one piece and I naturally shy away from anything that is an 'auto include' - I'd rather the challenge of finding success not using the pieces everyone takes without even thinking.
Having said that, it is a struggle as Trolls are pretty much designed on the basis that you'll be taking the stone with you. Without it, our natural stats are a touch under the curve and that can make the game more difficult.
Right now list building is basically start with PoD theme and any caster, add Mauler/MK, Bomber, Runebearer, Krielstone. Fill out the remaining points and you're finished. Half the work is done before you have to put any thought in whatsoever. Am I the only one that finds that approach to lists boring?
I wonder if maybe we should go back and re-evaluatr a few of these that are a little dated. I mean PoD all the strength aside for instance solves Jarls biggest issue with free upkeeps turn 1 can then fuel the stone and a free runebearer to catch magic missile for him(yes I know it is bullet)
Ill keep that in mind. Editing a guide like this is a b1g project though. I agree though that so many things changed when PoD became a thing. I think it can probably wait till we see the northkin theme. Apparently it should be playtested in a month or so. Things will surely change again by then
Nice job Trollock. This thread is a good resource for new players. Something that I thought could be added is that if you add the Trollkin Sorcerer to the Krielstone unit, you up the max by 1. The extra bit of range can help to keep the stone safe. Additionally you gain all of his abilities for the unit (which in PoD is often your only unit)
Great write-ups Trollock, I have been considering getting the Grissels, and now I am looking really hard at Grissel 2. She seems really fun with the knock down gun with a knock down theme, battle engine, thumper, and some other stuff. Thanks for putting this together.
Thanks for putting this together, I'm completely new to games like this and am going to start playing when I get home from school this summer. I've been reading this little by little trying to build my first army on War Room.
If i were you i would start getting games in asap. Getting a good list comes way further down the road, but when i started the game i wanted something like this to read (but couldnt find it) so i hope it will be helpful as an inspiration or quick reference. Do not trust my word too much though. The important thing now is to learn the game at large. Doesnt really matter too much what models you use to do that
Thank you! That was definitely the initial plan, I've got the ragnor battle box and an extreme dire troll waiting for me when I get home, but my brother decided he wanted to play too after I showed him. He went and jumped straight to 50 points in Retribution without the battle box so I've just been daydreaming about the army I'd like to build when I'm procrastinating from my studies.